I am alined with the TOPY facet due to a node in the UK which allowed me access to be privy to information in regards to Relivations 23 Press, and more importantly (alltho inderectly) communication with Ray Sherwin. I have an understanding that despite cabals, covens and or groups and assoiciations, we are all under the same famlyesque umbrella. Despite which of the 8-fold path one tranverses.


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it seemed that there was this RATIO ZERO list that has appeared on the Tribe.net site and.. so i figured i would check it out and see what was being said about the Temple here.. Thee Temple itself is well and fine.. and many of its creators think other than the most outspoken of them does. I suppose people will think what they want.. and those that do not remember the past.. well..
But i agree with your comment.. people who have been interACTIVE and TOUCHED by the 23rd current are usually very creative wonderful people doing very interesting projects that are magickally influenced.. and thus is the meme OV thee 23rd current.. so i guess its really why we are ALL here.. -/\-

it's all about the 23.

(Eartha sneaks into this Tribes' back door and points up to the picture of Skot on your computer screen)
Well said, Skot - you tell 'em!
Hehe...actually it is because of Skot (of whom I've known for about 12 years) that I have any understanding of TOPY philosphy - but what I have learned of it's basic foundation I had already naturally felt to be very true.

Now, not ever being a TOPY member, nor having attending the TOPY gatherings, I hope that I am not too off the mark with what I have concluded and expounded upon in my own mind from the tid-bits of knowlege that I have gathered about the core of TOPY belief.

So Skot - you can throw some of your digital pixels representing letters of the alphabet from your post down at me if I'm wrong, but now that I have the chance to talk to a forum about this - I just gotta give it a whirl.
The number 23 represents the number ov coincidence, yes? which I perceive as a trailmarker on your path in life to show you that that you are being true to yourself and fully living the life that was "meant to be" for you - i.e. in a state of an ever increasing understanding of truth/enlightenment/living inthe present/becoming who you are, etc.

But delving deeper, the 23 is a syncroneous guide to our brains because it represents 2 E's, which symbolize Ego - the two sides of the ego - inverted and extroverted. Looking from the eyes of others onto yourself and only examining/critiquing/etc. the image of you that others see, and then the flip side of being within yourself and looking out upon the world so much as to be completely self-less, living in the moment, and looking only through your eyes without even the concept of having an identity/ego. 23 is then a significant symbol as it represents the importance of the balance of both perceptions, and hence the psychic cross (being comprised of two E's with their backs to one another). Having a sense of self, and also having empathy for others. Knowing who you are and being able to live in the moment at the same time, etc. Is that about right? because if so - that's very cool and is a way of existing that I came to understand clearly quite a few years ago, but before I learned of TOPY. It strikes me as true and natural from my own existence and experiences.
So the 23 shows up the most when I am growing mentally/spiritually/emotionally/energetically the most, as if to remind me that through whatever good/bad/or bizarre experience I am currently having, the end product is that my consciousness is growing closer to that perfect balance of being. Be here now. Know thyself. Become who you are. And do unto others as you would have them do unto you - only without the words in your mind. Just that state of univesal connection and transcendant understanding.

So... not being an actual TOPY member, is that the 23 enigma as it is related to the Temple ov Psychic Youth? And if so, then it makes sense why everyone that has a connection with TOPY here would have the aformentioned "unique striking characteristics". It would make sense that it would effect members deeply on an energy level, which would then manifest itself physically in ways of dress or even eventual body/facial features - along with perhaps a recognizable "Glow".

For instance, I am a Reiki healer and worker, and after 6 years I can now tell another Reiki healer from across a room just from their eyes and sensed "glow" about them.

So those are my questions and my 2 cents on the subject of TOPY that I have never had the opportunity to ask a TOPY group before....until now. So that said, am I on-track with my understanding? Any answers/comments will be greatly appreciated!

Thanks everybody!!!
- Eartha -
(potential TOPY newbie)

Some history:
I had always been interested in TOPY. I had been a fan of Psychic TV and Genesis P-Orridge, etc. Even saw Psychic TV in concert back in 2000, which to this day was one of the best concerts I've ever been. After reading the ReSearch book Modern Primatives, I decided to write via snail mail for some info about the temple. This might've been back in 1989-1990. I held back then, much to my later regret.

Later on back in 1999, I decided to study all areas of the occult. Went through many different paths. I learned about Chaos theory, etc. Earlier this year (2005) I met a former TOPY member which influnced me to finally contact the temple once again.

I've always been intrigued by the 23 and 93 currents. I see how it connects even more, due to the fact that I am an artist myself. Magick and creativity go hand-in-hand.

I know for a fact that Genesis P-Orridge is no longer involved with the temple, but I believe that the 23rd current is stronger than ever.

I don't want to go into further details due to privacy and to respect towards TOPY.

I have always felt TOPY was most concerned with personal growth through knowledge and that each of these post represent a topy individual regardless of their personal views on religion or magickal organizations. It seem that TOPY is often lumped together with other magickal orders or esoteric beliefs, but I feel it has more to do with the general interest in TOPY than the actual organization. Everybody with interest or who has been involved as "sigilized members" has an active part of the existance of the TOPY organizism. Each of these post are equally valid. Regardless of what Gen says topy will always exist. His attitudes are similar to having sex and not acknowledging the child produced. The existance of this forum is the true product of the topy philosophey. People sharing information and growing.
Fiat Yod!